Summary:
The conversation revolves around a person who desired to amputate their limbs to become "bionic" and potentially gain strength, sparking discussions on transhumanism, ethics, and the blurring of lines between medical necessity and personal desire.
Above image is from the surgeon's Instagram post also utilised by other newspaper reports
[25/09, 09:43]hu1: https://www.bbc.com/news/
[25/09, 10:10]hu1: I would have totally believed this guys fake version though .
[25/09, 10:34]hu2: What is the current evidence against him that his stance was fake and he wasn't framed?
[25/09, 10:36]hu1: His divorced wife revealed
His surgeon ( a quack ) was separately jailed after another of amputee exposed him
[25/09, 10:38]hu2: Alright that part is not there in the link.
So how did he manage to get insurance if his surgeon was a quack?
[25/09, 10:39]hu1: Good question
[25/09, 10:42]hu1: So he got surgery done in NHS .
But he was in touch with this quack guy and his website where the eunuch maker ( as he called himself ) showed live videos of his various amputations for diffent people including breast / penis
His chats with with the eunuch maker were exposed . He had caused the gangrene by chilling his legs - recipe of eunuch maker
[25/09, 10:43] hu1 : He was jailed for NHS fraud
But otherwise he perhaps would not have been punished
[25/09, 10:48]hu2: Yes and he too stated that in his confession I guess.
What if he had shared his thoughts publicly and gotten a clean amputation of his limbs?
Maybe his cause wasn't as laudable as Angelina Jolie's who amputated her breasts or the brain surgeon who's preparing to do his first brain transplant and writing publicly about it but was he apprehensive that his desire to be free of biologically weak organs in favour of a potential bionic strength would be deemed unacceptable to collective cognition and he would have to wait longer for the tide to turn?
Was his pornography connection essentially fueled by his desire for bionic power that took him to shady alleys frequented by people such as eunuch maker?
[25/09, 10:51]hu1: This is an interesting philosophical question - what is justified and what is not .
His desire was said to be a kink
But also -
To get attention
Admiration as an amputee who is a role model for positive attitude
He applied to go on space as first amputee .
Also money
[25/09, 10:57]hu2: That insurance money is peanuts for a vascular surgeon in UK. He may not be cognitively challenged as far as these simple financial decisions are concerned. His biggest problem is not doing his research properly by going through an ethical committee but choosing a short cut.
[25/09, 10:52]hu1: But it's not always this bizzare :
We see too many people do things for attention these days - anything and everything
Attention is money too
[25/09, 10:55]hu2: He may not have done for attention. He wouldn't have hidden his kink in that case
[25/09, 10:54]hu2: Yes his kink was that he had already started desiring the space age where humans would perhaps need bodily transformation to be able to withstand the radiation and hence one of his strategies was possibly to downsize his biological vulnerability and become an Android to begin with?
[25/09, 10:56]hu1: U seem to know something about this . I don't know
[25/09, 10:58]hu2: Yes it comes under the topic of "futuristics" and transhumanism (think of varaha and narasimha avatar) is the current rage in those circles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[25/09, 11:00]hu1: I do gender reassignment
I have seen these people from close quarters and there is medical consensus about it - though many non believers
Some psychiatrists believe gender reassignment is no different from
Seeking amputation
Or
Seeking blindness as some people in the world want
[25/09, 11:01]hu1: So , a surgery which is just done to make patient happy and comfortable in his own body - gender reassignment- is not accepted by them
[25/09, 11:05]hu2: Transhumanism is not about transgenders though.
Although again wanting to transcend the current human condition can bring all kinds of behaviour (aka cognitive kinks or wrinkles) to the surface.
[25/09, 11:11]hu1: Yes . They are not the same .
I would presume that transhumanism would be about those full of confidence and money who want to live forever and increase their powers
Whereas transgender's are uncomfortable in their body or lack confidence - and just want to feel comfortable - at huge cost to themselves - financial and health
[25/09, 11:13]hu3: Transhumanism is purely using technology to extend human cognition, physical prowess and perhaps lifespan...
We already do that in ICUs!
[25/09, 11:16]hu1: Yeah
Also guess yogis do Tapasya for that
[25/09, 11:45]hu2: Yes and tech singularity posits that when humans reach singularity aka krita yuga they will all have attained these through technology. At what point again will biological evolution take over (post singularity treta transition) is currently hazy
[25/09, 15:27] hu3: You must be engaged in writing a new kala chakram
Reference links for further reading:
The current state of bionic limbs from the surgeon’s viewpoint
*Key Points:*
- *Transhumanism*: The concept of using technology to enhance human physical and cognitive abilities, potentially leading to a "tech singularity" where humans merge with technology.
- *Desire for Amputation*: The individual's desire for amputation is linked to a desire for bionic strength and potentially becoming more "android-like" to withstand challenges like space radiation.
- *Ethics and Acceptance*: The conversation touches on the ethics of self-amputation and whether such desires would be deemed acceptable by society, comparing it to gender reassignment surgeries.
- *Bionic Limbs*: The discussion mentions the current state of bionic limbs and their potential to enhance human abilities.
*Thematic Analysis:*
- *Human Enhancement*: The conversation explores the theme of human enhancement through technology, raising questions about the boundaries between medical necessity and personal desire.
- *Ethics and Morality*: The discussion highlights the complexities of ethics and morality in the context of transhumanism and body modification.
- *Societal Acceptance*: The conversation touches on the theme of societal acceptance, questioning how society would view individuals who choose to modify their bodies for non-medical reasons.
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