Thursday, March 6, 2025

UDLCO CRH : Validating small n interventions outcomes through long term informational continuity toward robust optimization of clinical complexity

Summary: A small n patient (n of 1) is shared by a doctor patient's advocate and the ensuing discussion around the patient's problem of popliteal artery aneurysm raises interesting issues around medical cognition especially toward intervention selection decisions as to which intervention is likely to provide best outcomes in the long run and eventually brings forth the realisation that health IT is yet to reach that optimal state of data availability to drive these decisions and the current biggest barrier to data driven healthcare is data capture!


Key words: small n interventions, data driven healthcare

Conversational Transcripts:

[03/03, 16:11] GJ: My patient is waiting in an OPD to see the doctor. His appointment was at 3.00 pm. The doctor knows me very well but the patient load is such that he can’t manage! My turn is expected not earlier than 5.00 pm. The waiting area in a Private OPD in Delhi is jam packed!

[03/03, 16:12] GJ: Systems have to created but the systems need a workable workload.

[03/03, 16:16]km: Systems is inappropriate here.  We need people with passion like you and others here who here to push for change. I was part of the informatics march in USA since the second US gathering that was later called SCAMC and now transformed into AMIA.


[03/03, 16:17]km: We have the enthusiasts, we have the experienced. You set a path and let all push forward.


[03/03, 16:38] GJ: *Systems are necessary*, but they are only effective when there is a *clear vision, leadership, and commitment from passionate individuals*. This can be particularly true in the Indian context, where the infrastructure for health informatics, digital healthcare solutions, and systems is still evolving.

Systems in themselves, while providing the structure, require the *right people* to fuel them and make them work. Without *passionate leadership*, even the best-designed systems can falter due to lack of motivation, oversight, and continuous improvement.

The U.S. model shows that a combination of systems and people is necessary for successful transformation. While AMIA and the evolution of health informatics in the U.S. relied heavily on collaborative efforts between passionate individuals, they were also supported by institutional frameworks and government policies that helped sustain the efforts.

The U.S. has a more established health informatics infrastructure, which includes widely used health IT systems, electronic health records (EHRs), and integrated decision support systems. In contrast, India is still in the process of building these systems, with challenges ranging from infrastructure to data standards.


[03/03, 16:39] GJ: *India's Context*:
• India, with its vast population, diverse healthcare challenges, and rapidly growing digital infrastructure, can certainly benefit from strong systems (like integrated EHRs, telemedicine, health informatics systems, and policy frameworks).
• However, the real transformation in India will require a combination of these systems and passionate individuals who are driving the change and pushing for their effective implementation.

[03/03, 16:42] GJ: Cultural transformation plays a **crucial role** in bringing about lasting change in **healthcare decision-making** in India. Healthcare, being a dynamic and complex sector, requires not just **technological advancements** or **policy reforms**, but also a shift in how healthcare providers, patients, and the broader society think about and approach decision-making. Here's how cultural transformation can drive lasting change in healthcare decision-making in India:

### **1. Promoting a Shift from Authority-Based to Evidence-Based Decision Making:**
Traditionally, healthcare in India (as in many parts of the world) has often been based on **hierarchical** models, where decisions were made by senior doctors or specialists without much input from other stakeholders. A cultural shift towards **collaborative decision-making**, where healthcare teams—including doctors, nurses, and allied health professionals—work together based on **evidence-based guidelines**, is essential for modernizing healthcare systems.

- **Cultural transformation** encourages the adoption of **evidence-based medicine** (EBM), where **clinical guidelines**, **research**, and **patient data** are considered when making treatment decisions, rather than relying solely on personal experience or authority.
- This shift will **empower healthcare professionals** to make informed, patient-centered decisions and will also encourage **patients to be more involved** in their treatment choices, leading to better health outcomes.

### **2. Fostering a Patient-Centered Approach:**
Cultural transformation in healthcare encourages a **shift towards patient-centered care**, where decisions are made considering **patient preferences, values, and needs** rather than just focusing on medical protocols or the doctor’s authority. 

- In the traditional hierarchical approach, patients often play a passive role in decision-making. In contrast, a culture of inclusivity and respect for the patient’s voice fosters a partnership between healthcare providers and patients.
- **Empathy**, **active listening**, and **shared decision-making** will become integral to the healthcare system. This approach can improve **patient satisfaction**, **compliance** with treatment, and ultimately **health outcomes**.

### **3. Empowering Healthcare Professionals through Continuous Learning:**
A **culture of continuous learning** and **professional development** is essential for improving healthcare decision-making. In many settings, there is a tendency to rely on outdated methods or resist adopting new technologies or practices.

- Cultural transformation can drive the adoption of **ongoing education**, **research participation**, and **interdisciplinary collaboration**, which will enhance the decision-making capacity of healthcare professionals.
- Encouraging healthcare workers to remain open to new ideas, **technological innovations**, and **changing best practices** will result in better decision-making and higher-quality care.

### **4. Encouraging Innovation and Technological Adoption:**
Healthcare decision-making in India can greatly benefit from a shift in culture towards **innovation and technology**. For instance, embracing **electronic health records (EHRs)**, **telemedicine**, **clinical decision support systems (CDSS)**, and **artificial intelligence (AI)** in decision-making processes requires a change in mindset.

- A cultural transformation can help overcome resistance to new technologies, which is common in traditional healthcare environments, by demonstrating their potential to **improve accuracy**, **efficiency**, and **patient outcomes**.
- In a rapidly developing healthcare ecosystem like India’s, encouraging **data-driven decision-making** will help doctors make more informed choices, reduce human error, and ultimately improve patient care.

### **5. Building Trust and Transparency:**
In many parts of India, healthcare decisions are still influenced by **hierarchical** dynamics, **trust issues**, and **lack of transparency**. Cultural transformation can foster a more **open, transparent**, and **trust-based** healthcare system.

- By promoting transparency in **decision-making processes**, healthcare providers can build **trust** with patients, especially in a system where patients often feel they have limited control or understanding of their treatment options.
- A transparent decision-making process also supports **accountability** and **patient autonomy**, both of which are critical for **lasting change** in healthcare.

### **6. Bridging Gaps Between Rural and Urban Healthcare Decision-Making:**
One of the challenges in India’s healthcare system is the disparity between **urban** and **rural** healthcare delivery. Rural areas often suffer from inadequate healthcare infrastructure, lack of resources, and limited access to skilled professionals.

- A cultural shift towards **equitable healthcare** that prioritizes **access to care**, especially in **rural areas**, will improve decision-making across the entire country. Promoting **telemedicine**, **mobile health apps**, and **training local healthcare workers** can bring about significant improvements in rural healthcare decision-making.
- Changing the mindset to **value inclusivity** and **shared decision-making** can lead to better care and reduce the rural-urban divide in healthcare outcomes.

### **7. Reducing Healthcare Disparities:**
Cultural transformation can address the **inequalities** that exist in healthcare access and treatment decisions, often based on **socioeconomic status**, **gender**, or **ethnicity**. A change in culture can emphasize **equity**, ensuring that healthcare decision-making is not biased by social determinants.

- Decision-makers, particularly in policy and administration, will begin to prioritize **health equity**, ensuring that decisions are made to **reduce disparities** in access to care, quality of care, and health outcomes, especially for marginalized groups.

### **8. Developing Collaborative Partnerships:**
Cultural transformation can promote **interdisciplinary collaboration** among various sectors, such as **healthcare, education, technology**, and **policy-making**. This cross-sector approach is essential for more holistic and well-rounded healthcare decision-making.

- For example, **healthcare policy** decisions can benefit from collaboration with **technologists** to design **smart health systems**, or with **sociologists** to understand the cultural factors that impact health outcomes and decisions.
- Building **partnerships** between healthcare professionals, patients, the government, and private entities is key to driving reforms in healthcare decision-making.

### **Conclusion:**
Cultural transformation in India is essential for **improving healthcare decision-making** and ensuring **lasting change**. By promoting a culture of **evidence-based, patient-centered, and transparent decision-making**, **continuous learning**, and **technological adoption**, India can create a more effective, equitable, and sustainable healthcare system. While systems and infrastructure are important, cultural change is what will truly enable people to **adapt to new ways of thinking**, **embrace innovation**, and make decisions that lead to better patient care and health outcomes.


[03/03, 16:47]km: Dr gj you are a fountain of wisdom with a lot of thoughts.

In Summary

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Top down not possible Sir.  Bottom up is how the US experience built and yes top support was earned by the pioneers I call friends.


[03/03, 16:51] GJ: Structure is created at the top; emergence in CAS context happens all multiple places mostly bottom up


[03/03, 16:51] GJ: Viewing **healthcare decision-making** and **cultural transformation** in India through the lens of **Complex Adaptive Systems (CAS)** provides a more holistic understanding of how change happens in dynamic and interconnected systems like healthcare. CAS theory emphasizes that systems are not static; rather, they are constantly evolving through interactions between **agents** (in this case, healthcare professionals, patients, institutions, technologies, etc.), driven by feedback loops, and adapting to external influences.

Here’s how **CAS principles** apply to **cultural transformation in healthcare decision-making** in India:

### **1. Interconnectedness of Healthcare Components:**
In a **Complex Adaptive System**, everything is interdependent. In healthcare, decision-making involves multiple stakeholders—**patients**, **doctors**, **nurses**, **healthcare administrators**, **government bodies**, and **technologies** (like CDSS, AI, etc.).

- **Healthcare decision-making** is not isolated; it’s influenced by social, cultural, political, and economic factors. Any cultural transformation that affects **decision-making** in one area (e.g., patient care) will have ripple effects across the entire system.
- By viewing healthcare as a **network of agents**, cultural transformation can be understood as a process that affects the whole system. Small changes at the **individual level**, such as adopting **patient-centered care** or encouraging **evidence-based decisions**, can create **feedback loops** that spread throughout the system, leading to larger-scale shifts in behavior and practice.

### **2. Emergence:**
In CAS, **emergence** refers to the phenomenon where **new properties** or **behaviors** arise from the interactions within the system that were not explicitly designed or predicted.

- **Cultural transformation in healthcare decision-making** can lead to **emergent outcomes** that may not be immediately obvious but can have significant long-term effects. For instance, by encouraging **collaborative decision-making** (a small, localized change), we might see broader **shifts in doctor-patient relationships** and ultimately **healthcare quality** across regions.
- As **agents (doctors, patients, policy-makers)** begin to embrace new cultural values such as **transparency**, **collaboration**, and **patient-centric care**, a more adaptive healthcare system will **emerge**, where decisions are based on a collective understanding of what is best for the patient, community, and healthcare providers.

### **3. Non-Linearity and Unpredictability:**
In a **Complex Adaptive System**, outcomes are not always proportional to actions. Small changes can lead to disproportionately large effects or unexpected results.

- **Healthcare decisions in India**, driven by evolving cultural values, are likely to produce **non-linear outcomes**. For instance, a **small-scale initiative** in a rural healthcare setting, such as using **telemedicine** for decision support, might lead to **widespread adoption** across different sectors of healthcare, improving access to care.
- Cultural changes in **decision-making practices** are not linear, meaning that the initial efforts (e.g., training healthcare providers to adopt new technologies or improving patient involvement in decision-making) may result in **unpredictable** but potentially **positive impacts** on healthcare systems as a whole.

### **4. Feedback Loops:**
**Positive and negative feedback loops** are fundamental to CAS. In the context of healthcare, feedback can either reinforce or counteract the changes happening within the system.

- **Positive feedback loops** can be created by **successful adoption of evidence-based decision-making** practices. For example, as more **doctors** and **patients** witness the benefits of involving patients in the decision-making process, the practice becomes more **widespread**, leading to better outcomes, further reinforcing this cultural change.
- Conversely, **negative feedback loops** may arise when the system resists certain changes. For example, if **traditional decision-making models** (e.g., paternalistic doctor-patient relationships) continue to dominate, efforts to encourage **patient-centered care** might face resistance, slowing down the cultural transformation.

### **5. Adaptability and Self-Organization:**
In CAS, systems are adaptive, meaning they can respond to changes in their environment and reorganize themselves as needed. Healthcare systems in India are faced with numerous **challenges** (e.g., rapid population growth, resource limitations, diverse needs), and thus, they need to be **adaptive**.

- **Cultural transformation** encourages the **adaptive capacity** of healthcare systems. By promoting values like **collaborative decision-making**, **flexibility**, and **learning from mistakes**, healthcare professionals and institutions can **self-organize** to respond to emerging challenges, such as the adoption of **new technologies** or **handling pandemic-like situations**.
- For example, during the **COVID-19 pandemic**, India witnessed **rapid adaptations** in healthcare delivery, such as the **widespread adoption of telemedicine** and **digital health platforms**. This adaptability can be seen as a result of **cultural shifts** in how healthcare decisions are made and executed, particularly at the intersection of technology and patient care.

### **6. Co-evolution with External Factors:**
Healthcare systems evolve not only internally through interactions between agents but also in response to **external factors**—such as technological advancements, policy changes, or societal shifts.

- In India, the **cultural transformation in healthcare decision-making** must consider the **changing socio-political environment**. For instance, the increasing **digitization of healthcare** (through telemedicine, AI, and electronic health records) and **policy reforms** (like the **National Digital Health Mission**) are pushing India towards more **systematic decision-making**.
- The **adaptive capacity** of India’s healthcare system will depend on how well it integrates these **external influences** (e.g., **technology**, **policy shifts**) into the existing healthcare framework, leading to more **efficient, transparent**, and **inclusive decision-making**.

### **7. Distributed Control:**
In CAS, **control** is not centralized but distributed across different agents. In healthcare, this means that **decision-making** is no longer the sole responsibility of a doctor or a single entity. Instead, it is shared among a **network of healthcare workers**, **patients**, and **institutions**.

- A **cultural shift** toward distributed decision-making encourages **shared responsibility**, where decisions are made collectively rather than top-down. **Patients** may take more responsibility for their care, **doctors** and **nurses** collaborate on patient care, and **administrators** take part in ensuring that the system functions efficiently.
- As more **agents** in the healthcare system take ownership of their roles in decision-making, the **system becomes more resilient** and capable of evolving in response to new challenges.

### **Conclusion:**
Viewing **healthcare decision-making** in India through the lens of **Complex Adaptive Systems (CAS)** reveals the intricate, interconnected, and evolving nature of cultural transformation. **Cultural change** in healthcare cannot be a one-time, top-down imposition; it requires **adaptive, decentralized efforts** that allow various stakeholders to collaborate and evolve. By recognizing **feedback loops**, **emergence**, **self-organization**, and **adaptability**, India can develop a more **resilient**, **inclusive**, and **effective healthcare decision-making system** that will bring about lasting change. Through this approach, both **technology** and **human elements** will play an important role in shaping a healthcare environment that can continuously improve and adapt to meet the needs of the population.


[04/03, 08:45]cm: Asynchronous data driven healthcare would have not allowed you to suffer this wait


[05/03, 08:23] GJ: The doctor had to scrape the pressure sore so that a VAC dressing could be applied for five days. Asynchronous data driven would not have helped.


[05/03, 08:33] GJ: 

My patient's story (in his own words):

I had a vague feeling in the arch of my left foot and the left shin during morning walk. In addition, I had pain in my left foot and left leg on squatting. 

I went to an orthopedic doctor who said I needed an arch support and that my shin pain was related to my knee joint. I wasn’t convinced but I did nothing about it as the symptoms were insignificant.

A few days later, the pain that started on squatting in my left leg and left foot pain did not stop within a minute on getting up as would happen on earlier such occasions. Instead it became excruciating.

I had an acute ischemic leg injury that caused a foot drop within 30 min of onset. It was a popletial artery aneurysm (almost 6 cm diameter) with a thrombus completely blocking it. It must have been forming gradually over the last 5 to 10 years. 

To cut the long story short, I a doctor myself missed it.

What followed was 34 days of hospitalization and six interventions of which five were under GA.

[05/03, 09:11] GJ: It’s important for anyone experiencing leg or foot pain, especially when it changes in intensity or nature, to consider the possibility of *vascular causes*, and my story could help raise awareness about how easily such conditions can be missed. 80% of orthopedic doctors miss it.

[05/03, 09:12] GJ: Doctors might attribute leg and foot pain to issues like tendonitis, muscle strain, or joint problems, as these conditions are much more common and have similar presenting symptoms. When the pain is gradual and not accompanied by more obvious signs of a vascular problem (such as swelling, discoloration, or severe weakness), it can be easy to overlook.

Vascular conditions like a popliteal artery aneurysm often need to be diagnosed through imaging studies like an ultrasound, CT scan, or MRI, which aren't always the first step in an orthopedic assessment.

[05/03, 09:13] GJ: My experience is a valuable lesson for both healthcare providers and patients in recognizing the importance of considering all potential causes when assessing leg and foot pain.

[05/03, 09:28]sph: Sorry to hear what you experienced . Glad it worked out . Here is a recent review of this space . Physical exam and early detection seems to be key . Using AI to detect pulse wave abnormalities using wearables maybe worth studying .

[05/03, 09:34]pmp: Really scary. I do have some spider and moderate varicose veins … my both knees have been burning from inside… underwent  arthroscopic  right medial Meniscectomy 9 years ago… not sure whether the varicose is a complication of the surgery. Post surgically had an attack due to unstable angina 1 year after surgery despite being active physically… not sure whether I should treat the varicose veins…


[05/03, 09:38] s: You better get the varicose veins treated. That would be my advice.


[05/03, 09:50]cm:

The long wait appears to be for a foot ulcer and it's subsequent evaluation with procedural scraping followed by a dressing!

Is this not better supported by a trained Amazon healthcare door step delivery team instead of the patient having to endure the long wait?


[05/03, 09:57] cm: Was the popliteal artery aneurysm located just behind the knee joint in this patient? The Orthopedic doctor went close with his clinical examination although palpating the aneurysm was an unfortunate miss and actually diagnosis it clinically would have been amazing if it was possible. How is the patient's foot drop now?


[05/03, 10:43] GJ: The orthopedic doctor felt the pulse in the popliteal fossa as well as in the dorsalis pedis artery. He did not find anything abnormal.

The partial foot drop that happened on November 16 is still there.


[05/03, 12:43]km: In my years of outcome studies. A specialist believing he had the right hammer was the source of the bad outcome.


[05/03, 20:11]cm: In our regular 24x7 online asynchronous patient problem solving workflow amidst the synchronous 9-4 day job OP IP workflow, we reflexly deidentify all patients online as a matter of habit. 

I would be more intrigued about what may have happened if this patient's aneurysm had been detected earlier when he was asymptomatic and what may have then been the outcomes of any type of intervention even while the patient was asymptomatic.

To answer this question, keeping in line with the current verdict of pubmed searches, i present this article which is a learning eye opener for those new to this topic and while it may not be satisfactorily able to answer the question I had completely (data driven healthcare hasn't taken off globally yet and currently there's simply not that much data to answer precision medicine questions), it does come close as a pleasant surprise๐Ÿ‘‡


The data that is not available is largely around informational continuity of these patients beyond 5 years!


[06/03, 08:58] GJ: Results of OVERPAR will make no practical difference in an individual case of an asymptomatic PAA. 

Managing an **asymptomatic popliteal artery aneurysm (PAA)** effectively depends on a number of factors that influence the decision to intervene and the type of intervention chosen. 

Each of the following points plays a critical role in determining the most appropriate management strategy:

### 1. **Size of the PAA**
   - **Smaller PAAs** (less than 2.5 cm in diameter) are generally less likely to rupture or cause complications like thrombosis or embolism. If the aneurysm is small and asymptomatic, conservative management with regular monitoring (surveillance) may be appropriate, as the risk of complications is lower.
   - **Larger PAAs** (greater than 2.5 cm in diameter) have an increased risk of rupture and thrombosis. Once the aneurysm reaches this size, the risk of serious complications (like rupture, limb ischemia, or embolization) becomes significantly higher. In this case, **intervention** (surgical or endovascular repair) is often recommended to reduce the risk of catastrophic events.

### 2. **Absence or Presence of Thrombus (and Whether Thrombus is Calcified)**
   - **Absence of thrombus**: An asymptomatic PAA without thrombus generally has a lower risk of embolism or distal ischemia. In such cases, the management could involve periodic imaging to monitor the aneurysm’s growth and any changes in vessel characteristics.
   - **Presence of thrombus**: The presence of thrombus within the aneurysm increases the risk of embolism and limb ischemia, even in asymptomatic patients. If thrombus is present, more urgent intervention may be required, particularly if the thrombus is mobile or likely to embolize to distal vessels. **Thrombectomy** or **endovascular stent grafting** may be options to clear the thrombus and repair the aneurysm.
   - **Calcified thrombus**: If the thrombus is **calcified**, it may be more stable and less likely to embolize. However, the calcified nature can complicate interventions, especially if surgical repair is needed. The decision-making process will require careful evaluation, as calcification could also indicate a more chronic condition, possibly leading to vessel stiffening and complications in treatment.

### 3. **Absence or Presence of Distal Blockages (Thrombosis of PTA or ATA)**
   - **Presence of distal blockages** (like thrombosis of the **posterior tibial artery (PTA)** or **anterior tibial artery (ATA)**) suggests that the aneurysm has already caused **ischemic changes** and could indicate a more advanced disease state. This may make the patient more vulnerable to complications such as **critical limb ischemia**, which could worsen if left untreated.
   - In cases of **distal blockage** due to thrombosis, early intervention may be essential to restore distal flow and prevent further ischemic damage. The treatment would likely involve **surgical bypass** or **endovascular stenting** to restore flow to the affected limb and address the aneurysm simultaneously.

### 4. **Age of the Patient**
   - **Younger patients** may benefit more from **early surgical intervention** or **endovascular repair**, especially if the aneurysm is large or shows signs of thrombus. Younger individuals tend to have better long-term outcomes with surgical interventions due to better vessel compliance and lower risk of complications like graft failure or restenosis.
   - **Older patients** may have a higher risk of surgical complications, including anesthesia-related issues and wound healing problems. For elderly patients, the decision may lean toward a more conservative approach, depending on the aneurysm's size and the presence of other risk factors. In some cases, a less invasive **endovascular repair** might be preferable over open surgery in older adults.

### 5. **Co-morbidities: Hypertension, Diabetes, Hyperlipidemia, Obesity, Smoking**
   - **Hypertension**: Uncontrolled high blood pressure can contribute to aneurysm expansion and increase the risk of rupture. Blood pressure control is essential in managing patients with PAAs, especially in those with large aneurysms.
   - **Diabetes**: Diabetes can impair healing and increase the risk of infection and complications post-surgery. If a patient has diabetes, careful monitoring of blood glucose levels is essential, and surgical decisions should consider the patient’s metabolic control.
   - **Hyperlipidemia**: Elevated cholesterol levels can contribute to plaque formation and accelerate vascular disease. Statin therapy may be prescribed to reduce the risk of atherosclerosis and thrombus formation, particularly if the aneurysm is already complicated by thrombus.
   - **Obesity**: Obesity increases the risk of vascular disease and can complicate both the surgical procedure and recovery. In patients with obesity, non-surgical options (like endovascular repair) might be considered if feasible. Lifestyle interventions to reduce weight and improve cardiovascular health should also be emphasized.
   - **Smoking**: Smoking accelerates atherosclerosis and vascular damage, increasing the risk of rupture and thrombosis in PAAs. Smoking cessation is critical for managing any aneurysm and improving overall vascular health.

### 6. **Other Factors to Consider**
   - **Aneurysm Location**: The location of the PAA (whether it is at the **popliteal** or more proximal) can affect treatment. For instance, more proximal aneurysms may have different surgical or endovascular repair considerations.
   - **Patient's Lifestyle**: If the patient is highly active (for example, an athlete), they may be at higher risk of developing complications from an untreated aneurysm. A more aggressive management strategy might be considered.
   - **Family History**: A family history of aneurysms or other vascular diseases (such as **abdominal aortic aneurysms**) might suggest a genetic predisposition and could influence the management strategy. Genetic counseling and screening for other aneurysms may be appropriate.
   - **Progression of Aneurysm**: Even if asymptomatic, PAAs can gradually expand over time. Regular follow-up with **ultrasound** or **CT angiography** can help monitor the aneurysm’s size and guide decisions on whether and when to intervene.

### **Conclusion:**
The **most effective management strategy** for an asymptomatic PAA is highly individualized and dependent on a combination of the factors listed above. For a **small, thrombus-free aneurysm**, conservative management with regular monitoring may suffice. However, for a **larger aneurysm**, particularly one with **thrombus, distal blockage, or other significant co-morbidities**, early intervention (via endovascular or surgical repair) is often recommended to prevent serious complications like rupture or ischemia.

The decision-making process should be a balance between the **risk of intervention** and the **risk of non-intervention**, always taking into account the patient’s overall health, age, and personal preferences.



[06/03, 09:05]cm: ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘AI is good for what is currently known. However our contention is precision medicine data especially on longer term patient centered outcomes. Currently AI is able to make a sane limited general knowledge driven suggestion mentioning often recommended (by others) and not categorically recommending it given the paucity of long term data



[06/03, 09:36] GJ: You're absolutely right in your assessment. **AI**, especially in the realm of healthcare and **precision medicine**, has proven to be valuable for generating insights based on **existing knowledge**, patterns, and data sets. However, when it comes to **long-term patient-centered outcomes**, particularly in areas where clinical data is sparse or incomplete, AI faces significant limitations. Here's a deeper dive into this idea:

### 1. **Limited General Knowledge and AI’s Role**
   AI models, like those used in healthcare, are often **trained on large datasets** with established clinical practices and guidelines. While this allows AI to make **evidence-based suggestions**, these suggestions are typically limited by the scope of available data. It’s important to note that AI isn't capable of **making novel discoveries** or **extrapolating future outcomes** beyond what is already known in the literature. The suggestions that AI generates are based on **patterns found in historical data**, but it can't fully account for **individual variations** in genetic, environmental, and lifestyle factors that might influence long-term outcomes.

### 2. **The Challenge of Long-Term Data**
   As you rightly pointed out, **precision medicine** relies heavily on **long-term, patient-centered outcomes**—data that reflects how patients fare over extended periods. For example, when considering asymptomatic **popliteal artery aneurysm (PAA)** management, long-term outcomes data on **different management strategies** (surgical vs. conservative, for instance) is still relatively limited.

   - **Current clinical studies** often focus on short-term outcomes like **immediate complications** (rupture, thrombosis) or procedural success (e.g., stent graft placement). These outcomes are **useful in the short term**, but they don’t necessarily provide the insights needed for long-term health outcomes like **functional recovery**, **limb preservation**, or **quality of life**.
   - Furthermore, the **heterogeneity** of patients—such as differences in **genetics**, **comorbidities**, and **lifestyle choices**—adds complexity to the prediction of long-term outcomes. AI models, unless explicitly trained on these individual variations, may not capture the nuances that are crucial for precise recommendations.

### 3. **The Absence of Long-Term Precision Data**
   While **AI** can identify patterns in available data, the **absence of long-term, high-quality data** on patient-centered outcomes makes it difficult to move beyond generalizations. This is where **precision medicine** aspires to go, but it requires comprehensive and **longitudinal patient data** to make **individualized treatment recommendations**. Unfortunately, this data is often **lacking** or **underrepresented** in many clinical databases, especially in **rare or less-studied conditions**.

   - For example, in the case of **asymptomatic PAA**, long-term data on patient progression, intervention efficacy, and post-intervention quality of life is sparse. This leads to the reliance on **expert consensus** and **guideline-based recommendations**, rather than hard, data-driven, long-term outcomes.
   - Additionally, much of the **real-world data** needed for precision medicine is still **dispersed** across multiple health systems and **electronic medical records (EMRs)**, with challenges in **interoperability** and **data-sharing** hindering a comprehensive understanding.

### 4. **AI’s Limitations in Making “Categorical” Recommendations**
   As a result of these gaps in long-term data, AI is currently more suited to making **evidence-informed recommendations** based on existing knowledge, rather than providing **categorical, definitive recommendations**. The lack of robust, longitudinal data means that AI can’t yet confidently provide answers that predict outcomes far into the future.

   - For instance, while AI can suggest that a patient with a **large popliteal aneurysm** and **thrombus** might benefit from intervention, it can’t predict with certainty **how that intervention will affect the patient** in 5, 10, or 20 years. This is a limitation when trying to personalize care at an individual level, especially for chronic conditions where the **long-term trajectory** is crucial.

   - Moreover, the **personalization** of care also means tailoring recommendations to the patient's unique **genetic makeup**, lifestyle, and even their preferences. AI can point out trends seen in data, but understanding **individual patient nuances** requires **more than just generalized advice**—it demands precise, **patient-specific predictive models** that factor in variables AI currently lacks access to.

### 5. **Moving Forward with Precision Medicine**
   - **AI and Machine Learning** are powerful tools, but they should be viewed as **complementary** to, rather than a replacement for, **human expertise**. In the absence of **comprehensive long-term data**, AI can assist clinicians by offering **evidence-based options**, but the final decision-making will still need to factor in **clinical judgment**, **patient preference**, and available **longitudinal data**.
   
   - The future of **precision medicine** hinges on overcoming the **data gaps**—this includes increasing the availability of **long-term outcome data** across diverse patient populations and ensuring that this data is of **sufficient quality**. Additionally, **AI models** will need to evolve to incorporate more **individualized factors**, moving beyond generalized guidelines.

### Conclusion
In summary, **AI** offers useful insights based on current knowledge, but when it comes to **long-term patient-centered outcomes**, it faces significant limitations due to the **lack of data**. Precision medicine requires more than just general guidelines; it requires **personalized data** from **real-world long-term studies**, which is still in the early stages of development. As these gaps in data begin to close, AI’s ability to make **accurate, long-term predictions** will improve, but for now, **AI’s recommendations should be viewed as supportive tools**, not categorical answers to complex, patient-specific questions.




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Sunday, March 2, 2025

Metapsych full throttle connections, UDLCO, chatshala around nutritional quackery: Jackfruit and metabolic syn journal club followed by ontology tie ups to famine and kaliyuga or the yoke of darkness and quackery of nutritional iron deficiency anemia

Summary:


Metapsych full throttle connections UDLCO around nutritional quackery: Jackfruit and metabolic syn journal club followed by ontology tie ups to famine and kaliyuga or the yoke of darkness and quackery of nutritional iron deficiency anemia. Metapsych is a group discussion forum around building Elon's everything app and they are currently discussing everything before they start to build it! More about it here: https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2025/02/udlco-crh-building-elons-everything-app.html?m=1



Conversational Transcripts:

Jackfruit marketing through impressive frugal RCTs:

[20/12/2024, 06:34] RNG HIT: I didn't know about this, nor have I tried this yet. But will try this as soon as possible and update you 101 days down the line


[20/12/2024, 06:46] Tech Frugal Innovator: @⁨ Sir your view

[20/12/2024, 09:43]cm: The same presenter did an impressive small sized RCT and while he may think the results are significant, which statistically they are, clinically they don't appear significant and I quote:

"Primary endpoint
The mean HbA1c level was reduced from baseline 55.57 mmol/mol (7.23%) to week 12, 52.84 mmol/mol (6.98%) with the mean change of −2.73 mmol/mol (−0.25%) in Group A (Fig. 2). In Group B, the mean HbA1c level at baseline was 55.88 mmol/mol (7.26%) and at 12 weeks was 56.11 mmol/mol (7.28%)."



[20/12/2024, 09:47]cm: Ask the presenter to recruit you into another RCT before you start your jack fruit therapeutic journey!

Meanwhile the other tragi comic fun fact about jackfruit  is that they saved people of Kerala from Churchill's famine while Bengal died in large numbers as they didn't let go off their rice staple desires inspite of having plenty of jack fruit trees!

@⁨Kmcq⁩ I guess I may have to prepare a "jackfruit UDLCO" soon also including our personal jackfruit driven journeys to many corners of India (archived in Facebook) in search of the best sapling to fit our Telangana soil!


[20/12/2024, 10:04] Kmcq: Jackfruit seeds are also roasted and taken as food in Godavari districts.
Not sure at other places..


[20/12/2024, 10:06] cm: Yes everywhere in India but again as an occasional non staple


[20/12/2024, 11:01] RNG HIT: Thank you @⁨⁩  ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป

I checked out the prices of the product, and its quite whopping ranging from Rs 600+ to more than Rs 1000 per kg.  Good business model, but if it works, well, should be worth it.  If not, they can always say that as per their RCT (Rapid?), more than 50% got cured


[20/12/2024, 11:16] Kmcq: Where did you last see a jackfruit tree?

Can we try planting one?

[20/12/2024, 11:35] Tech Frugal Innovator: Due to startup pricing model it is high we can grow in small containers too

[20/12/2024, 11:38]m: I don't know never did 

If anyone has backyard let's plant it

[20/12/2024, 11:39] Kmcq: There's one in our colony park as far as I recall.
Will check when I go to Hyd.

@⁨Tech Frugal Innovator⁩ how can we do it in small containers?

[20/12/2024, 11:51] Tech Frugal Innovator: Will show it.It is part of my Sanitary pads project

[20/12/2024, 11:51] Tech Frugal Innovator: Air layered saplings are available ready to fruit

[20/12/2024, 11:52] Tech Frugal Innovator: Cost is little high but can be addressed in long-term

[20/12/2024, 14:43] cm: Yes and their RCT had just 40 patients!

[20/12/2024, 14:45] RNG HIT: Understood

[20/12/2024, 14:48] Rakesh Biswas: Jackfruit trees seen in Hyderabad๐Ÿ‘‡


From Jackfruit to Churchill's Famine:

[20/12/2024, 19:30]cm: "Sailen remembers going to talk to one man, Anangamohan Das, who was then 91. On hearing why he was there, the man was quiet for some time. Tears then streamed down his sunken cheeks as he said, "Why did you come so late?" 


[20/12/2024, 22:56] RNG HIT: Sanatana Dharma's predictions of Kalyug is so accurate indeed...

[20/12/2024, 22:58] RNG HIT: try booking a hotel from an iPhone and android device simultaneously, you will find a great price difference; no marks for guessing which would be cheaper..

[20/12/2024, 23:11] RNG HIT: What are the characteristics of Kalyug?

[20/12/2024, 23:12] RNG HIT: In Hindu mythology, the Kalyug (also known as Kali Yuga) is the fourth and current era of the world, characterized by darkness, chaos, and spiritual decline. Here are some key characteristics associated with the Kalyug:

Moral Decline

1. Increased sin and corruption: People will become more sinful, and corruption will prevail.
2. Decline of dharma: Righteousness and moral principles will erode.
3. Lack of self-control: Humans will become more impulsive and lacking in self-control.

Social Unrest

1. Wars and conflicts: The Kalyug will witness numerous wars, battles, and social unrest.
2. Family breakdown: Family values will deteriorate, leading to increased divorce rates and family conflicts.
3. Social inequality: Social and economic disparities will widen.

Environmental Degradation

1. Natural disasters: The Kalyug will experience frequent natural disasters like earthquakes, floods, and droughts.
2. Environmental degradation: The environment will suffer due to pollution, deforestation, and climate change.
3. Loss of biodiversity: Many species will become extinct due to human activities.

Spiritual Decline

1. Decline of spiritual knowledge: People will forget or ignore spiritual teachings and scriptures.
2. Rise of false prophets: False spiritual leaders and gurus will mislead people.
3. Increased materialism: People will become more materialistic and attached to worldly possessions.

Other Characteristics

1. Shortened human lifespan: Human lifespan will decrease due to various factors like disease, war, and environmental degradation.
2. Increased disease and suffering: People will suffer from various diseases, and medical science will struggle to keep up.
3. Rise of machines and technology: The Kalyug will witness rapid advancements in technology, which will both benefit and harm humanity.

Keep in mind that these characteristics are based on Hindu mythological texts and interpretations. The Kalyug is believed to have started around 3102 BCE and will last for 432,000 years, after which the world will be destroyed and recreated.

Kali Yuga to quackery:

[21/12/2024, 09:58] Kmcq: 

Oxypathor", a quack device for increasing the body's absorbtion of oxygen, Canadian, 1910-1920

The Oxypathor was a ‘quack’ device designed by E. L. Moses of Buffalo United States. It allowed the body to absorb extra oxygen via a cord attached to the wrist and ankle. Attached to this cord and placed in a bowl of water was a sealed metal cylinder containing sand or carbon, or sometimes nothing. The all-curing device supposedly helped conditions such as diphtheria, blood disorders, catarrh, kidney trouble, heart trouble, gallstones, blood poisoning, pneumonia, typhoid fever and ‘most forms of paralysis.’ The American Post Office Department won a criminal fraud case against Moses in 1915. He was sentenced to 18 months in jail for promoting quack devices.



[21/12/2024, 10:13]cm: Here's another quackery experiment in education:

Deeply Boring title: Randomized controlled trial in gurukul education comparing performance based competence assessments between free style team based learning vs rigorous one to one learning ecosystems 

Mixed fruit jam fun title: 
Guru cool heady cocktail of mixed fruit jam vs sober, sombre, crappy concert performance based learning lures to light indian classical music.


Here's the Jam version:


Here's the concert version:


Go figure! 

I guess the concert version allows you a learning mode while the jam is in the fun mode. Everyone including learners and learned may agree that the jam version is a more fun learning luring experience and while the jam stimulates curiousity and buy in, the concert stimulates disciplined rigor.


[21/12/2024, 10:13]cm: Fun filled Medical education quackery experiments are a traditional annual routine in the Christmas editions of BMJ ๐Ÿ‘‡


From Quackery to 

[21/12/2024, 11:34] Kmcq: Though complexity science and chaos theory have become a common scientific divulgation
theme, medical disciplines, and pathology in particular, still rely on a deterministic, reductionistic
approach and still hesitate to fully appreciate the intrinsic complexity of living beings. Herein, com plexity, chaos and thermodynamics are introduced with specific regard to biomedical sciences, then
their interconnections and implications in environmental pathology are discussed, with particular
regard to a morphopathological, image analysis-based approach to biological interfaces. Biomedical
disciplines traditionally approach living organisms by dissecting them ideally down to the molecular
level in order to gain information about possible molecule to molecule interactions, to derive their
macroscopic behaviour. Given the complex and chaotic behaviour of living systems, this approach is
extremely limited in terms of obtainable information and may lead to misinterpretation. Environ mental pathology, as a multidisciplinary discipline, should grant privilege to an integrated, possibly
systemic approach, prone to manage the complex and chaotic aspects characterizing living organisms.
Ultimately, environmental pathology should be interested in improving the well-being of individuals
and the population, and ideally the health of the entire ecosystem/biosphere and should not focus
merely on single diseases, diseased organs/tissues, cells and/or molecules.
Keywords: fractal; entropy; life; living organisms; system biology; biological interface

[21/12/2024, 11:35]cm: In short become interested in logging the real human beings around you instead of wasting time in contrived theory


[21/12/2024, 13:40] 56M Asthma CAD Metabolic Hyd: Men become intelligent in Kali Yuga.  

The experiences of Kruta Yuga wherein Prahlada didn't attained Moksha,   Treta Yuga where the followers of Dharma faced troubles,  Dwapara Yuga where Dharma taken the path of Adharma to win by showing opponent's acts of Adharma.

Finally men in Kali Yuga realized that, there is no such things like Dharma or Adharma, the only thing is survival.



[22/12/2024, 11:44] Kmcq: Population
288 students (aged 12-16 years) from economically disadvantaged families attending a rural boarding school in India.

Inclusion Criteria
- Aged 12-16 years
- Economically disadvantaged families
- Attending a rural boarding school
- General good health
- No chronic disease or acute illness
- Not severely anemic (hemoglobin ≥85 g/L)
- Not taking iron supplements or medications interfering with iron absorption
- Residing full-time at the boarding school

Exclusion Criteria
- Severe anemia (hemoglobin <85 g/L)
- Chronic disease or acute illness
- Taking iron supplements or medications interfering with iron absorption

Intervention
- Biofortified iron intervention

Comparison
- Control group (non-biofortified)

Outcome
- Cognitive function (various tests)

Sample Size
- Initially screened: 288
- Enrolled: 246
- Underwent cognitive testing: 146
- Completed baseline and endline cognitive data: 140 (93 biofortified, 53 control)
Sample size calculation shows 60/group would be sufficient.



Cognitive performance generally improved across the trial, as hypothesized (Tables 3 and 4). On the attention tasks, significant treatment effects were observed for RT on SRT and GNG tasks, and on 5 outcomes in the ANT (Table 5). Compared with the control group, the biofortified group became faster by endline on the most basic cognitive task (SRT), the simple attentional task (GNG), and the 2-cue and inconsistent flanker conditions in the ANT. Attentional improvement in the biofortified group was strongly supported by significant treatment effects on all 3 ANT difference measures: alerting, orienting, and conflict. Performance in the control group actually declined for orienting and conflict (Table 3). A large proportion of variance in endline performance for RT on inconsistent flanker conditions (ฮท2p = 0.24) and conflict score (ฮท2p = 0.35) was explained by treatment group (Table 5).
In terms of memory, significant treatment effects were seen for 4 outcomes across the 2 tasks, with all effects favoring the biofortified group (Table 5). On the CFE, each score was an interaction contrast for the interaction of memory (familiarity) and attention (alignment), and was scaled so that positive values indicate a cost due to the increased demands of efficient memory retrieval on selective attention. The cost of improved memory retrieval was seen in terms of speed, accuracy (hit rate), and sensitivity to face identity. Treatment group accounted for 25% of the variance in change in sensitivity. On the CRT, participants in the biofortified group showed better ability to adapt to increasing workload, as indicated by a greater percentage change in capacity from baseline to endline. The effect for percentage change in capacity was large (group ฮท2p = 0.38), with the biofortified group increasing from 31% to 78%, compared with a change from 32% to 42% in the control group (Table 4).

ANT-Attention Network Task.
AGPฮฑ1-acid glycoproteinANTAttentional Network TaskBIbody ironCFEComposite Face EffectCRPC-reactive proteinCRTCued Recognition TaskGNGGo/No-Goppmparts per millionRTreaction timeSRTsimple reaction timeTfRtransferrin receptor


[22/12/2024, 11:44] Kmcq: Cognitive Performance in Indian School-Going Adolescents Is Positively Affected by Consumption of Iron-Biofortified Pearl Millet: A 6-Month Randomized Controlled Efficacy Trial


In the past there have been quite a few attempts to prove that iron deficiency could be nutritional. The one that came closest is perhaps here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4250059/ and discussed here: https://userdrivenhealthcare.blogspot.com/2024/06/udlco-first-meta-ai-driven-journal-club.html?m=1

While iron deficiency ID remains a primary cause of anemia in general in many settings, the proportion of anemic individuals with ID varies by contextual factors, and poor iron nutrition cannot be assumed to be the primary cause in all cases. Given the complex etiology of anemia, the extent to which ID accounts for the anemia burden continues to be investigated."https://pavani2021.blogspot.com/2024/05/clinical-complexities-in-management-and_29.html?m=1

Methods:
To navigate clinical complexity in patients with anemia and optimize their management toward reducing diagnostic and therapeutic uncertainty along with improvement in their anemia outcomes, we followed up 50 patients for 2 years from Mid 2022 to mid 2024 by initially selecting patients presenting with a combination of anemia and complex etiological possibilities where the diagnosis remained uncertain and treatment remained empirical. For example a typical patient to be included may have low hemoglobin and low serum ferritin with no history of blood loss or dietary indiscretions or a patient with low hemoglobin and high serum ferritin likely to have both iron deficiency as well as chronic inflammation. 




Tuesday, February 11, 2025

UDLCO CRH: Building Elon's everything app with ideas ranging from practical in time to impractical futuristics

Elon Musk's innovations in Summative assessment:

Summary:

The conversation revolves around AI, healthcare, and innovation, with a focus on Elon Musk's ideas and their potential applications. The discussion touches on topics such as:

- AI in healthcare and medical education
- Data capture and processing in healthcare
- Clinical informatics and its importance in India
- Patient capital and its role in data-driven healthcare
- The potential for AI to structure unstructured data in healthcare

Key Words


- AI
- Healthcare
- Innovation
- Elon Musk
- Clinical informatics
- Patient capital
- Data capture
- Data processing






Image copyright: probably Elon or whoever wants to claim it 

Conversational Transcripts:

[16/01, 08:11] rb : Very soon he'll find a lot of AI agents sharing their code and it will be interesting when he invites them for a face to face interview

[16/01, 08:13] gm: Reality today is lots of dev automation ala code pilots etc. It is essential to know the new paradigm. It is not an either/or

[16/01, 08:16] rb: Yes as long as he's not the only human in the loop

[16/01, 08:17] So: The biggest factor is copying. I saw the same algo/project in at least 70% the resumes ...it is a publicly available algo :)

[16/01, 08:20] rb: To eliminate that possibility one needs a face to face interview to simply verify the claims made by the potential candidate. In education parlance aka summative assessment while the CV essentially reflects a formative assessment by the candidate themselves. Elon has cut short to the chase by eliminating the need for formative self assessment and straight away beginning the summative assessment albeit in an asynchronous manner, which is pretty neat




[10/02, 13:51]ak: Good afternoon all,
A doctor just asked me if I am aware of some best online courses (certificate programs) on AI for medical professionals (doctors).

Any inputs ?


[11/02, 07:24]st: Would rate iisc bangalore program as the best for doctors . Realised it after finishing course.


[11/02, 07:27]st: Learning python and advanced maths as a requirement here and their capstone project helps you make ai project with iisc faculty.


[11/02, 07:29]rb: Online or onsite?


[11/02, 07:31] st: Online but quite rigorous.  6 hours every Sunday for a year but you get amazing batch of smart people as cohort in your batch. Me and dr p were batch 7. Now it's 9th going and they keep adding new things in course. They have onsite visits and mentoring


[11/02, 07:35] st: https://otoscanai.com/ i was able to make this ai based classifier after the course. U have to put images of ear canal/ drum and it will give diagnosis . Useful for non wnt surgeon's and patients for home based diagnosis


[11/02, 07:37] st: Would be happy if any one tells me how to generate revenue from it ๐Ÿค”.  That iisc never teaches. Considerable  server costs with๐Ÿ˜ deployment


[11/02, 22:19] dt: First you have to make a business case for your product. See how it solves a pain point in the current scheme of things, probable market size, probable price points from economics / business point of view. Product manufacturing and marketing expenses. Study if any alternative products are already available in the market. If yes, then see how your product is superior / inferior to it. Visualise other potential obstacles in acceptance and commercialization of your product.

Based on the above, start working on how much funding you will need to manufacture the product. Licences required for the same etc

You will need a technical expert to figure out exactly the technical requirements for manufacturing the product 

Have you patented your product as yet or not? What stage are you in your product development cycle which ranges from concepts to readiness for commercialisation roll out.

After this with a good financial advisor make a financial plan of the business atleast for 5 yrs.

Once your business plan is ready, find another good financial consultant who will search and find potential investors for early stage funding for an equity stake. ( You can also decide how much of your own money you are willing to committ for this. Financer call it your Skin in the game to evaluate how much you are committed or serious about your business idea)

After doing this much research, if you still have any questions then you can DM me

If possible, attend some boot camps held by venture capital firms or bodies

[12/02, 07:26] rb: First step:

If it's going to be DIYWAI ear canal diagnosis then you will need to ensure adequate means of data capture for the non ent surgeon user.

Also don't make this market limited to them. Reach out with your DIYWAI to the bottom of the pyramid (all users with a ear canal and drum problem)


[12/02, 07:55]rb: Second step:

Team up with a generalist healthcare professional who can integrate all other disciplines of healthcare to build their data capture portals (various other canals and drums in the body, you get the drift) to integrate with your ear portal to build the entire healthcare data capture portal for every human user to trade off their data for a solution to their pressing healthcare requirements.

Step 3:

Team up with every engineering and science professional globally to transform your healthcare portal into an everything portal (after all essentially healthcare is everything and even now engineers and scientists are it's real developers and doctors are glorified retailers) and finally submit to Elon for his "everything app" competition because by now he's realised that tamatar data will not take him anywhere except a chaotic hive mind and he needs not only users mental health requirements but also their connected bodily requirements to create his ultimate human requirements engineering app to fit into his current neuralink and mars jigsaw!

[12/02, 07:55] dt: Health / Clinical informatics is not used in HMIS/EHRs in India. The importance of the use of clinical informatics is not very well appreciated in India. Medical professionals who are getting interested/excited about AI in health must also start taking interest in clinical informatics as this will significantly improve outcomes of their AI applications

[12/02, 08:00]ss: Health Data Literacy and Digital Literacy both are essential core topics, which should not be ignored


[12/02, 08:12] rb: Yes core topics to life long learning in data driven healthcare! 

Short term learning overestimates our desired outcomes while long term learning forces us to underestimate future returns/outcomes and one needs "true patient capital" at the right bottom end of the graph here (wrongly labeled philanthropy) to be able to achieve true data driven evidence based healthcare.



[12/02, 08:13]rb: Bottom-line:

Data capture is the more important and currently neglected step rather than AI driven data processing, which may have become easier minus the hallucinations


[12/02, 08:23] dt: Use of Clinical informatics provides structured data for AI processing hence quality of AI outputs is better.

In India, we record and store our clinical information in a semi structured & unstructured way


[12/02, 08:27] rb: We can also train AI to structure these gold mine of unstructured data using a gold amalgamation smelter model?


Thematic Analysis

The conversation can be categorized into several themes:

1. *AI in Healthcare*: The discussion highlights the potential of AI in healthcare, including its applications in medical education and data-driven decision-making.
2. *Data Capture and Processing*: The importance of data capture and processing in healthcare is emphasized, with a focus on the need for structured data and the potential for AI to structure unstructured data.
3. *Clinical Informatics*: The conversation stresses the importance of clinical informatics in India, highlighting its potential to improve healthcare outcomes and facilitate AI-driven decision-making.
4. *Innovation and Entrepreneurship*: The discussion touches on the potential for innovation and entrepreneurship in healthcare, including the role of patient capital in supporting data-driven healthcare initiatives.
5. *Elon Musk and Innovation*: Elon Musk's ideas and innovations are referenced throughout the conversation, highlighting his influence on the discussion around AI, healthcare, and innovation.