The candidate wishing to participate in this elective learning activity will eventually publish a case-study-research publication around his selected case. Also a few more interested students could even publish their overall learning experience such as the one done by a few past students here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4117104/, http://www.irma-international.org/viewtitle/58372/
I have already previously shared how one of our past students has published his case in BMJ based on these steps and the published version is here:
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2016/bcr-2015-211127.full?keytype=ref&ijkey=GrkuudGK4zzuAwk
You can join us everyday on our morning rounds if you are keen and continue to learn from you about our patients when you review them in the evenings and share their status updates with us and on some Sundays we would like to have you on the evening rounds around 6 PM for which we can pick you up on the hospital ambulance from your homes.
However the program is not only helpful to publish a few cases but actually helps you to learn medicine and by medicine we mean all the subjects taught in MBBS.
This year we shall also incorporate tips and pointers on how to secure a good percentage in the undergraduate UG university exams (see the details here: http://www.wbuhs.ac.in/Syllabus/Syllabus_selection.asp particularly on continuous assessment as all these case-based work/blogs that the UGs submit also becomes valuable items in their portfolio that can be regularly assessed effortlessly by the faculty). We shall also learn together with other UGs on how to crack their PG-residency entrance exams (even as we learn in a patient centered manner during the entire UG time spread out over 4 years). Each and every patient does generate a lot of questions that are potential MCQs and learning in this manner will not only ensure that we become good basic-doctors but will enable and facilitate our entry into the PG specialty programs.
This 'patient-centered-learning-elective' program is off course, only for very strongly motivated and diligent students willing to put in extra effort in the evenings particularly AFTER their regular lecture teaching hours that they have to attend till 4 PM.
Conversational learning:
- Conversation started today
9:07pm
Rakesh Biswas
Boudhayan, Our 3rd sem students Aadipta and Adwaya will provide a brief update to you about our ward, ICU, SICU and casualty patients.
9:07pm
9:08pmYou named the conversation: Today's update on our ICU, Ward, SICU and casualty patients.
9:13pm
Aadipta Ghosh
Boudhayan sir we have a patient in 'intensive care' who apparently seems to have been affected by P.falciparum though we havent been able to confirm it yet through the tests done . He is on antibiotics since Friday but his condition has not improved . What do you think we should do?
9:13pm
Rakesh Biswas
Boudhayan, Aadipta is looking after the 'intensive care' patient and will share some ideas about how to further crack the puzzle of his PUO as it persists relentlessly ( i wish Aadipta could have shared his fever chart after having put it in his online-record. Adwaya will tell us more about the patient who had torsades-de-pointes and is currently admitted again
9:15pm
9:16pm
Boudhayan Dm
I am not being able to scroll through the msgs...dont know why
Not being able to go through the chart in details....can u all pls tell abt the fever tracings over last 24 hrs
He was on Piperacillin Tazobactum if I am not incorrect
Rakesh Biswas Sir.......Is he still on NPO with the Ryle's tube...What was discussed during rounds today ??
9:24pm
9:25pm
Rakesh Biswas
Yes he is being given some water through the RT but we shall institute some RT feeds tomorrow. We have begun Artesunate in the evening rounds yesterday. His RR is 50 and fever spikes are persistent 101-102. His last USG was normal and we are repeating it today/tomorrow. Problem is i do not have any access to the file from here
9:25pm
Boudhayan Dm
what was the peripheral blood smear report.....what was the blood CS report
9:26pm
Rakesh Biswas
negative on both counts but again none of the reports are coming in time and just hand collected so again no communication with the lab here
9:26pm
Boudhayan Dm
USG was done previously..If i remember correctly it showed only prostatomegaly
9:26pm
Rakesh Biswas
No scrolling function at my end too. :-(
Yes and currently we are repeating it to look for any occult abscesses
9:27pm
9:27pm
Rakesh Biswas
Search the literature on indication of getting a PSA done Aadipta
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9:28pm
Boudhayan Dm
In PUO when we are unable to get anything I suggest we go for a CT Scan of Abdomen and may be Thorax ....I dont think USG will be of any help
Sir did u come yesterday??
besides how has the response been to artesunate
Is the Ryle s tube and Catheter acting as a source of Infection...........Need to change them and may send their tips for Culture
What happened to the CT Brain
Has it picked up anything
9:35pm
Rakesh Biswas
Nothing on the CT brain (as far as i can remember but i do need to see the file). Unlikely to be due to RT or foleys but we could try changing the Foleys tomorrow and sending a urine C/s after 6 hours of removing the foley's and perhaps during re-insertion. The tip cultures are no longer recommended
9:36pm
Rakesh Biswas
Had asked for a repeat CXR pa today. He was also passing watery stools so asked for a stool C/S
9:36pm
Boudhayan Dm
I know it is not recommended..But sometimes we can get clues in things we discard
Why watery stools? Antibiotic induced?? Had coverage with Metronidazole
Sir u need to discuss protocols at the hospital infection control committee meeting whenever it is next
An urone sample sent usually used to undergo gram's stain, wet mount followed by culture
I dont think that s the scenario here
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9:51pm
Boudhayan Dm
what happened to peripheral blood smear
plus what is the temp profile after starting artesunate
9:52pm
Rakesh Biswas
Yes Aadipta discussed the peripheral smear with his pathology teacher today (name Aadipta?) and it appeared to be normal
Will have to check in the file tomorrow. Wish we have online access to it. :-(
9:52pm
Boudhayan Dm
watery stools? disease process or antibiotic induced
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9:54pm
Rakesh Biswas
Initially disease process later it seemed to have subsided and currently again begun since last 2 days so this one could be antibiotic induced but again its all based on sketchy history by brothers and there is no correlation between their version and the relatives
9:55pm
9:55pm
Rakesh Biswas
Now i am able to scroll up and yes we came yesterday and picked up Adwaya from SEPCO with our ambulance. :-)
9:55pm
9:56pm
Rakesh Biswas
Alright we go for a CECT of his abdomen tomorrow. Adwaya did you see the CECT of the pancreatitis patient?
Although again not sure of its role when we have already given the broadest coverage possible with Piptaz. Aadipta could you take a look at what organizms are covered by piptaz?
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10:00pm
Aadipta Ghosh
We have acute phase infections which we could not ascertain till now
10:00pm
Boudhayan Dm
Again are we dealing with an infectious process or a non infectious process
Se procalcitonin was WNL as far as i remember
10:04pm
10:04pm
Boudhayan Dm
guys will back within an hr.............stay online
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10:52pm
Boudhayan Dm
UNOFFICIALLY U CAN always request NIDHI maam to take a lung screen also
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Boudhayan Dm
Be there with Nidhi Madam and ask her all ur doubts during the procedure if u can...That would be a gr8 way of learning
10:53pm
10:54pm
Boudhayan Dm
whats the fever chart or temperature trend for today guys
So how many of u attended class today
i hope the references are useful
10:55pm
10:55pm
Boudhayan Dm
U can always request Maam and then we can add her to the discussion group
10:55pm
10:56pm
Boudhayan Dm
Did u note the procal value
compare it with the article I send
10:56pm
10:57pm
Boudhayan Dm
Now read up the chapter on Penicillins and cephalosporins.............U will get more insight into Ceftriaxone and Tazobatum
also read up Metronidazole
10:58pm
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10:58pm
Boudhayan Dm
Also read up Sepsis from Robbins and Urinary tract infection
read up benign prostatic hyperplasia from Patho
10:59pm
Aadipta Ghosh
Yes possibility of lower uti path sir was suspecting
11:00pm
Boudhayan Dm
Pharma and Micro U read up abt DOXY and also ant bacteremia and Septicemia
11:01pm
Aadipta Ghosh
Sir can it be bph then progress to prostatic metaplasia then to malignancy?
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11:02pm
Boudhayan Dm
well i will try to send u a few links
but start reading robbins for patho
11:03pm
11:04pm
Boudhayan Dm
Now u will understand better
Also read abt the drugs used so far in this patient like metoclopromide
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11:21pm
Adwaya Das
Sir the 52 yr lady with a past history of cardiac arrest,pleural effusion,atrophic kidney, indigestion and vomiting is reporting of fever today
I m referring to the patient with Torsades de pointes.
11:23pm
11:24pm
Adwaya Das
Yes Sir. She had past history of Sle too.
11:24pm
Boudhayan Dm
Plus she has been in and out of the hsopital over the last two weeks
when was she diagnosed as SLE
11:25pm
Adwaya Das
I m preparing a history of her. It's really a long one.
11:25pm
Boudhayan Dm
its only the diasease activity
fever charting for her any news
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Boudhayan Dm
u write down the history...whats the hist abt SLE
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7:37am
Rakesh Biswas
Thanks for continuing this discussion everyone. :-) I slept on the patient and when i woke up today morning i was thinking about the source of his PUO and suddenly remembered he had a pace maker and perhaps his infection could be related to the pacemaker leads that are supposed to be touching his myocardium? I quote from this gudeline from Cardiological society of India, "Device infection
can also occur months to years after the implantation, especially in thin built and elderly
patients, where the pacemaker gradually erodes through its subcutaneous pocket and
becomes adherent to the overlying skin with subsequently infection and extrusion.
Hence important pointers towards a device-related infection are if:
1. The patient presents with PUO weeks to months after device implantation.
2. The patient has recurrent unexplained episodes of pneumonitis.
3. There is evidence of local infection at the pacemaker site.
A trans-thoracic echocardiogram (and if needed a trans-esophageal echocardiogram as
well) should be done in all cases to rule out right heart endocarditis in cases with gross
pacemaker site infection and sepsis.
7:38am
Rakesh Biswas
I think we need a cardiac consultation today and ask them to do a transesophageal echocardiography.
7:43am
7:45am
Rakesh Biswas
Vaibhav please add other interested students here. Or copy paste all the discussions above into a WhatsApp group frequented by other students. This way teachers and students who use different online platforms can still remain in touch and learn from each other better.
7:46am
Vaibhav Kapoor
Sure, Sir.
I dont think that the signed consent will be possible because the patient has already been discharged .
7:46am
Rakesh Biswas
Off course the history that you took cannot be blogged till you manage to get the patient's informed signed consent but Nobhoneel's patient is still in the ward and his consent can be takeh.
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7:46am
Rakesh Biswas
This is one reason you need to take the address, mobile number of the patient so that you can complete some of the earlier missed details later. :-)
7:47am
Vaibhav Kapoor
Yes sir, will look into that.
Sure sir, wasn't aware of the necessary details to be taken before, will do that in the upcoming histories.
7:48am
Rakesh Biswas
Hope you can share all the online activity that we share with you other interested batchmates through the WhatsApp platforms they frequent? Again i guess it would be best to blog all the separate online discussions we have been having in one place and then share that link? I guess i may have to do that when i find the time. :-)
7:49am
Vaibhav Kapoor
Ok, sir.
If they are interested, I suppose I can add them to the group.
7:50am
7:50am
Rakesh Biswas
Yes please do and let me summarize what has been discussed in the last few days with all of you in a blog and i shall share that link too
7:50am
7:50am
Rakesh Biswas
Yes Navoneel it should be fairly easy for you to copy paste the excellent history (minus the patient identifiers) that you took yesterday into a blog (after taking the patient's consent).
7:51am
7:51am
Rakesh Biswas
Let me see if i can do it in the next 5 minutes before i set off for the hospital. :-)
7:52am
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